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	<title>Comments on: Can legitimate SIP traffic be mistaken as SPIT? (voice spam)</title>
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		<title>By: Dan York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, Thanks for your comments. Yes, indeed, traffic from an inbound scenario could very much look like a DDoS attack!  I&#039;ve had some other feedback as well suggesting I expand the inbound scenarios and I probably will do that for the next version.

As to the testing of inbound scenarios, I, too, don&#039;t know exactly how you could do that.  Generating a flood of INVITEs is relatively trivial given some of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.voipsa.org/Resources/tools.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tools out there&lt;/a&gt;, but getting it to originate from a wide range of IP addresses to simulate such a scenario would be the challenge.  (It&#039;s almost like someone needs to run a &quot;white hat&quot; botnet out there for testing these type of scenarios... but of course keeping such a botnet from being used for malicious purposes would be the added challenge.)

Thanks for your comments,
Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, Thanks for your comments. Yes, indeed, traffic from an inbound scenario could very much look like a DDoS attack!  I&#8217;ve had some other feedback as well suggesting I expand the inbound scenarios and I probably will do that for the next version.</p>
<p>As to the testing of inbound scenarios, I, too, don&#8217;t know exactly how you could do that.  Generating a flood of INVITEs is relatively trivial given some of the <a href="http://www.voipsa.org/Resources/tools.php" rel="nofollow">tools out there</a>, but getting it to originate from a wide range of IP addresses to simulate such a scenario would be the challenge.  (It&#8217;s almost like someone needs to run a &#8220;white hat&#8221; botnet out there for testing these type of scenarios&#8230; but of course keeping such a botnet from being used for malicious purposes would be the added challenge.)</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments,
Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for providing this document.  I think you are right on the money with this concern.  We have been setting up emergency notification systems on campus (e-mail and SMS, no SIP yet) and have been seeing blocking issues on those systems, so the issue is very real.   

You should probably expand your inbound scenarios.  Using the Virginia Tech example, what did their call profile look like on the day of the shootings?  What about natural disasters?  In the TDM world, these are traffic engineering issues but in the IP world they look like (and are to some extent) DDOS attacks.  While traffic will need to be shaped, but a generic DDOS response would not be appropriate.

I also worry about testing the inbound scenario.  We do periodic testing of our outbound emergency broadcast systems so we have a reasonable assurance they will perform when we need them (of course, no assurances that we won&#039;t get blocked if we send several in one day).  But, how do you test your enterprise system for this flood of INVITES?  And how you test your ISP(s) to be sure they do not treat the calls like a DDOS attack?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for providing this document.  I think you are right on the money with this concern.  We have been setting up emergency notification systems on campus (e-mail and SMS, no SIP yet) and have been seeing blocking issues on those systems, so the issue is very real.   </p>
<p>You should probably expand your inbound scenarios.  Using the Virginia Tech example, what did their call profile look like on the day of the shootings?  What about natural disasters?  In the TDM world, these are traffic engineering issues but in the IP world they look like (and are to some extent) DDOS attacks.  While traffic will need to be shaped, but a generic DDOS response would not be appropriate.</p>
<p>I also worry about testing the inbound scenario.  We do periodic testing of our outbound emergency broadcast systems so we have a reasonable assurance they will perform when we need them (of course, no assurances that we won&#8217;t get blocked if we send several in one day).  But, how do you test your enterprise system for this flood of INVITES?  And how you test your ISP(s) to be sure they do not treat the calls like a DDOS attack?</p>
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